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:Ópata ''mosi'' "cloud" | :Ópata ''mosi'' "cloud" | ||
Stubbs(2011#502) | Stubbs(2011#502) extends: | ||
Hopi /''pamøøsi''/ <''pamöösi''> "fog, mist" | PUA *mosi | ||
Luiseño ''més-ma-l'' "fog, mist" | :Hopi /''pamøøsi''/ <''pamöösi''> "fog, mist" | ||
Cupeño ''mesmel'' "fog" (identified by Hill 2020 as a loan word from Luiseño) | :Luiseño ''més-ma-l'' "fog, mist" - | ||
Tübatülabal ''paašuumiši-t'' "fog", and ''paašuumišiigim'' ~ ''’aabaašuumiš'' ‘get cloudy’ | :Cupeño ''mesmel'' "fog" (identified by Hill 2020 as a loan word from Luiseño) | ||
Nahua /''mištli''/ <''mixtli''> "cloud" | :Tübatülabal ''paašuumiši-t'' "fog", and ''paašuumišiigim'' ~ ''’aabaašuumiš'' ‘get cloudy’. | ||
:Nahua /''mištli''/ <''mixtli''> "cloud" | |||
Since Luiseño /e/ reflects PUA/PNUA *o, this form accords with *''mosi'', the Tübatülabal forms fit less well, and Stubbs does not propose an explanation for the paašuu- part (paa- could be "water"). But the Luiseño and Hopi forms do strongly suggest that this etymon reconstructs to PNUA and PUA. But the situation in PSUA needs more attention. | |||
However, if we look at variation within Nahuatl, as described by Lastra (1986) we see three different forms, with varying vowels: ''mi:ʃ-'' (the mos widespread form), ''me:ʃ-'' (found in Morelos, Tlaxcala, parts of Mexico state and Southern and Northern Puebla -i.e. in the Central dialects) and ''moʃ-'' (found only in Central Guerrero). Nahuan variation between /i/ and /e/ of this type usually points towards a reconstruction with PUA *u and Corachol-Nahua ɨ. This kind of variation described by Canger and Dakin precisely leads to i forms in the East and e forms in the Center/West. PCN *ɨ sometimes does give Nahua /o/ when standing in a labial environment as here. Therefore if we posit Proto-Nahua *''mɨʃ-'' (from *''musi'') this would explain the Nahuan vowels, but no other languages in SUA suggest a reconstruction with *u. Now, we have not seen any cognates in Corachol, but in Wixárika we do have ''<nowiki>'</nowiki>aɨʃi'' <''<nowiki>'</nowiki>a+xi''> "steam, fog", and there are a handful of examples of initial *m being lost in Corachol before central vowels *a and *ɨ - so this could reconstruct as *''maɨsi'' in proto-Corachol. | However, if we look at variation within Nahuatl, as described by Lastra (1986) we see three different forms, with varying vowels: ''mi:ʃ-'' (the mos widespread form), ''me:ʃ-'' (found in Morelos, Tlaxcala, parts of Mexico state and Southern and Northern Puebla -i.e. in the Central dialects) and ''moʃ-'' (found only in Central Guerrero). Nahuan variation between /i/ and /e/ of this type usually points towards a reconstruction with PUA *u and Corachol-Nahua ɨ. This kind of variation described by Canger and Dakin precisely leads to i forms in the East and e forms in the Center/West. PCN *ɨ sometimes does give Nahua /o/ when standing in a labial environment as here. Therefore if we posit Proto-Nahua *''mɨʃ-'' (from *''musi'') this would explain the Nahuan vowels, but no other languages in SUA suggest a reconstruction with *u. Now, we have not seen any cognates in Corachol, but in Wixárika we do have ''<nowiki>'</nowiki>aɨʃi'' <''<nowiki>'</nowiki>a+xi''> "steam, fog", and there are a handful of examples of initial *m being lost in Corachol before central vowels *a and *ɨ - so this could reconstruct as *''maɨsi'' in proto-Corachol. | ||
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:W.Nah. ''me:ʃ-'' ''<mex-tli>'' "cloud /nube" | :W.Nah. ''me:ʃ-'' ''<mex-tli>'' "cloud /nube" | ||
:Hch. '''aɨʃi'' ''<'a+xi>'' "vapor, neblina" | :Hch. '''aɨʃi'' ''<'a+xi>'' "vapor, neblina" | ||
==*homau/*na-homau== | ==*homau/*na-homau== | ||
Revision as of 11:26, 3 June 2025
There are at least three different Uto-Aztecan roots among the words used for "cloud" in Southern Uto-Aztecan languages: one that can be reconstructed as *mosi or *mausi, attested in Nahuan, Coracholan, Tubar and Eudeve (and Hopi, and Takic); another that can be reconstructed as *(na-)homau, attested in Tarahumara, Tubar and Yaqui (and Hopi); And also one that can be reconstructed for proto-Tepiman as *hikomagi and which is attested in Tepiman languages (and Northern Paiute) and possibly related to a PUA root meaning "gray".
*mosi/*mausi
Lionnet (1985#150) reconstructs *mosi for "Sonoran" based on cognates in Opata, Nothern Eudeve and Tubar. Stubbs (2011#502) adds Nahua to the cognate set, and also ties it to cognates in Hopi and the Californian languages (Luiseño, Cupeño and Tübatülabal), reconstructing *mosi for PUA. Hill (2020:MO-07) admits Takic but does not include Hopi or Tübatülabal. However the Nahuan form cited by Stubbs <mixtli> is not the only one found in Nahuan, and the vowel doesn't fit well with the proposed reconstruction.
Lionnet (1985#150) reconstructs:
- "Sonoran" *mosi from
- Tubar mosí-t "cloud"
- Eudeve mosí-t "cloud"
- Ópata mosi "cloud"
Stubbs(2011#502) extends: PUA *mosi
- Hopi /pamøøsi/ <pamöösi> "fog, mist"
- Luiseño més-ma-l "fog, mist" -
- Cupeño mesmel "fog" (identified by Hill 2020 as a loan word from Luiseño)
- Tübatülabal paašuumiši-t "fog", and paašuumišiigim ~ ’aabaašuumiš ‘get cloudy’.
- Nahua /mištli/ <mixtli> "cloud"
Since Luiseño /e/ reflects PUA/PNUA *o, this form accords with *mosi, the Tübatülabal forms fit less well, and Stubbs does not propose an explanation for the paašuu- part (paa- could be "water"). But the Luiseño and Hopi forms do strongly suggest that this etymon reconstructs to PNUA and PUA. But the situation in PSUA needs more attention.
However, if we look at variation within Nahuatl, as described by Lastra (1986) we see three different forms, with varying vowels: mi:ʃ- (the mos widespread form), me:ʃ- (found in Morelos, Tlaxcala, parts of Mexico state and Southern and Northern Puebla -i.e. in the Central dialects) and moʃ- (found only in Central Guerrero). Nahuan variation between /i/ and /e/ of this type usually points towards a reconstruction with PUA *u and Corachol-Nahua ɨ. This kind of variation described by Canger and Dakin precisely leads to i forms in the East and e forms in the Center/West. PCN *ɨ sometimes does give Nahua /o/ when standing in a labial environment as here. Therefore if we posit Proto-Nahua *mɨʃ- (from *musi) this would explain the Nahuan vowels, but no other languages in SUA suggest a reconstruction with *u. Now, we have not seen any cognates in Corachol, but in Wixárika we do have 'aɨʃi <'a+xi> "steam, fog", and there are a handful of examples of initial *m being lost in Corachol before central vowels *a and *ɨ - so this could reconstruct as *maɨsi in proto-Corachol.
Pharao Hansen reconstructs for proto-Corachol-Nahuan:
- PCN *maɨsi-tɨ < *mausi-tu
Based on:
- E.Nah. mi:ʃ- <mix-tli> "cloud /nube"
- Guerrero Nah. a moʃ- "cloud"
- W.Nah. me:ʃ- <mex-tli> "cloud /nube"
- Hch. 'aɨʃi <'a+xi> "vapor, neblina"
*homau/*na-homau
PSUA *(na-)homau
- Hopi oomaw "cloud";
- Tarahumara na’oma "become cloudy, erased"
- Tubar homé-k "be cloudy"
- Yaqui naamu "cloud"
Tepiman: PTEP *hi-koma "cloud(y)" < PUA *kuma "grey"
- hikomagi "cloudy" <*sikomawi
- NT ikómaga
- ST hikma’
- ST hikoom/hikma "cloud, fog"
- TO koomhai "mist, fog"
- NP kummi-bï "cloud"
'gray' at 'gray'; therefore, these may relate to *kuma 'gray, dark color' with a prefixed element; see at 'gray’.